Panel wrestles with proposed golf cart ordinance

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New island golf cart regulations are one step closer to passage as the Boca Grande Community Planning Panel agreed with Lee County on most of its proposed golf cart ordinance at their meeting on Tuesday, Feb. 19.

Panel member Ted Hoopes said he had spoken with commissioners, who said the reason behind the proposed ordinance was that they had received numerous complaints about children driving golf carts, erratic driving and too many people riding in the carts.

The panel agreed with almost everything in the new ordinance, including the fact that golf cart operators must have a valid driver’s license and be 16 years of age. This would exclude drivers that have suspended licenses due to traffic violations or driving under the influence of alcohol, and those that have lost their driving privileges due to poor vision and infirmity.

When Hoopes asked if the ordinance would prohibit people from driving golf carts who have lost their license due to problems related to aging, Panel Chairman Lynne Seibert suggested that an addendum be added to exempt drivers 65 and over from the license requirement.

But panel member Linda Aley and Cpl. Bill Held of the Lee County Sheriff’s Office both argued that if a driver couldn’t legally operate a car, that person shouldn’t be operating a golf cart.

“It’s not like we’re trying to keep anybody down or at home,” Held said. “It’s strictly a safety issue. That’s just what it is.”

When Hoopes asked why the county would want to change the legal golf cart driving age from 14 to 16, Held said it would make their job much easier.

“It’s much easier for us to enforce,” he said. “We can pull up any individual from any state with their driver’s license. The main purpose of this whole thing is safety, and this ordinance would make it so that drivers would be a little bit more mature.”

Held said that violations while driving a golf cart would be treated, under the proposed ordinance, the same as non-moving infractions in a regular passenger vehicle.

Seibert then asked what would happen if a child under the legal age to drive was ticketed. Held said the ticket would then be given to the child’s adult guardian for allowing an unauthorized person to drive.

Sgt. Brian Amburgey, who attended the meeting with Held, said that local officers have often witnessed children driving underage or recklessly.

“They usually aren’t cited, but turned over to an adult guardian,” he said. “It is a difficult situation to enforce, and when officers see what they believe to be a violation of the law or a public danger, they attack and resolve it.”

The panel also agreed with the seat belt and child seat restrictions in the ordinance, which would require that all children under the age of 18 be securely belted in. For children under the age of 5, a child seat would be required.

Discussion then centered around the fact that most golf carts do not have seat belts. Held said that any golf cart can be fitted for seat belts, and most new models have them now. Seibert said that all golf cart rental businesses should be required to retro-fit their older-model carts with seat belts as well.

“One of my pet peeves I see all the time are adults with small children or babies on their lap,” Held said. “I stop them and tell them ‘that’s a real cute airbag you’ve got there.’ We can warn them once, and cite them if we see them doing it a second time.”

The panel also agreed with the ordinance that says the number of occupants in the golf cart should be limited to the amount of seats, and that no one should stand while the cart is in motion. They also supported the section of the ordinance that states golf carts are confined to a maximum of 20 miles per hour, and that all golf cart drivers must have liability insurance.

Hoopes said he also noticed something else within the wording of the ordinance that, according to him, might take away the right to drive a golf cart from First Street south to Belcher Road on the macadam path, the path that most golf carters use.

Hoopes brought the problem to the attention of the panel and read the Florida Statute which pertains to it.

“The county may not designate a bike path or sidewalk for use by golf carts … it’s a state law,” he said.

Florida Statute 316.1995 states that “No person shall drive any vehicle other than by human power upon a bicycle path, sidewalk, or sidewalk area, except upon a permanent or duly authorized temporary driveway. A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.”

Currently there are no signs marking what type of path runs through the macadam.

“This raises an issue that few of us realized exists,” Hoopes said. “All these years people have been driving golf carts on the bike path from First Street down to Belcher, and it’s not been legal. And it’s never been enforced.”

The GICIA portion of the bike path is privately owned and the ordinance does not apply.

Hoopes said one alternative would be for the county to designate Gulf Boulevard for use by golf carts, but that the idea wouldn’t necessarily be a safe one.

“What this ordinance recognizes is that golf carts cannot be used on any county road unless the county designates the road for use by golf carts,” he said. “In February of 1997 the county designated every road in the Lee County portion of Gasparilla Island as usable by golf carts, except Gasparilla Road and Gulf Boulevard. So the only way anyone can go from First Street to the lighthouse is by foot or by car - which is totally opposite of everything we’re trying to do.”

Hoopes said he couldn’t imagine that the county would exercise its right to designate Gulf Boulevard for golf cart use.

“It would be a license to kill,” he said. “So we have a major problem here.”

Local Lee County law enforcement agreed.

“The law has been there because people and pedestrians as well as bicyclists do have the right-of-way on the bike path,” Amburgey said. “We don’t want golf carts driving down Gulf or Gasparilla Road. We have to do something that will designate that area as a path for bicyclists and pedestrians and golf carts.”

When a Gilchrist Avenue resident asked whether it would be better to change the speed limit from 30 to 25 miles per hour on that street if golf carts were to share the road with cars, Seibert said that traffic engineer Ted Treesch had already suggested that as part of his recommendations.

The panel determined they would explore several options as to the problem, including coming up with a separate Gasparilla Island bike path ordinance, or possibly the renaming of the path to include all non-gasoline powered vehicles.

The panel will be sending their remarks to Lee County, and Seibert urged the public to give their input before the deadline of March 7. Residents can email jansensj@leegov.com.

7 Responses to “Panel wrestles with proposed golf cart ordinance”

  1. mark barber Says:

    just a question,did anybody happen to mention when the cut off is for the seniors?

  2. chroniciguana Says:

    The “cutoff” age that was mentioned was 65. It’s an extremely good bet that if the ordinance eventually requires that golf cart drivers be licensed, there will be no senior citizen exemption.

  3. PJM Says:

    I am not a lawyer, but a local ordinance mandating the mininum age at 16, may be contrary to State Statue allowing 15 year olds to operate vehicles on the public roads.

    Any lawyers out there?

    I tried emailing the above Lee County official, and the email does not exist.

  4. chroniciguana Says:

    The email link is fixed.

    Here is how the law works. A municipality can’t enact an ordinance that allows what state statute forbids. But a municipality can enact an ordinance that forbids what state statute allows. If the statewide age to drive a golf cart is 14, there is nothing preventing Lee County from enacting a more restrictive ordinance.

    A 15-year-old with a restricted license (learner’s permit) can, as noted, operate a motor vehicle only if a licensed adult driver is in the front passenger’s seat. If Lee County were to opt for 16 rather than require operators to have valid drivers licenses, this would present law enforcement with yet another problem. It would be difficult for law enforcement to issue a citation to a 15-year-old with a valid restricted license who is seated next to an adult licensed driver. The citation would likely not survive a court test. Further, increasing the age from 14 to 16 doesn’t provide police with any relief from the issue of drivers being compelled to provide identification. Only a requirement that drivers have valid licenses would create a remedy.

    Further, if you have a dozen DUIs, a handful of manslaughter by motor vehicle convictions, your vision is 20/200 and you haven’t held an operator’s license for the past two decades, we really don’t want you driving anything.

  5. PJM Says:

    They are also permitted to operate vehicles, WITHOUT AN ADULT if the engine has a capacity of less than 50 ccs. Is this not true?

    Vehicles with a fuel source, such as gasoline have engines. Electric fuel powered vehicles have motors.

    So a good question is, what is the equivalent comparable capacity of an electric motor, such as those in a golf cart?

    MODERATOR NOTE: Drivers with “learner’s permits” may not operate motor bikes or mo-peds or vehicles with engines under 50 cc. Licensed drivers can operate these low power vehicles without obtaining an additional motorcycle license.

  6. PJM Says:

    What is wrong with Florida State Statue 316.212, Golf Carts?

    Do we feel, as a community we need more government oversight?

    I always felt, as community we are quite responsible?

    316.212 Operation of golf carts on certain roadways.–The operation of a golf cart upon the public roads or streets of this state is prohibited except as provided herein:

    (1) A golf cart may be operated only upon a county road that has been designated by a county, or a municipal street that has been designated by a municipality, for use by golf carts. Prior to making such a designation, the responsible local governmental entity must first determine that golf carts may safely travel on or cross the public road or street, considering factors including the speed, volume, and character of motor vehicle traffic using the road or street. Upon a determination that golf carts may be safely operated on a designated road or street, the responsible governmental entity shall post appropriate signs to indicate that such operation is allowed.

    (2) A golf cart may be operated on a part of the State Highway System only under the following conditions:

    (a) To cross a portion of the State Highway System which intersects a county road or municipal street that has been designated for use by golf carts if the Department of Transportation has reviewed and approved the location and design of the crossing and any traffic control devices needed for safety purposes.

    (b) To cross, at midblock, a part of the State Highway System where a golf course is constructed on both sides of the highway if the Department of Transportation has reviewed and approved the location and design of the crossing and any traffic control devices needed for safety purposes.

    (c) A golf cart may be operated on a state road that has been designated for transfer to a local government unit pursuant to s. 335.0415 if the Department of Transportation determines that the operation of a golf cart within the right-of-way of the road will not impede the safe and efficient flow of motor vehicular traffic. The department may authorize the operation of golf carts on such a road if:

    1. The road is the only available public road along which golf carts may travel or cross or the road provides the safest travel route among alternative routes available; and

    2. The speed, volume, and character of motor vehicular traffic using the road is considered in making such a determination.

    Upon its determination that golf carts may be operated on a given road, the department shall post appropriate signs on the road to indicate that such operation is allowed.

    (3) Any other provision of this section to the contrary notwithstanding, a golf cart may be operated for the purpose of crossing a street or highway where a single mobile home park is located on both sides of the street or highway and is divided by that street or highway, provided that the governmental entity having original jurisdiction over such street or highway shall review and approve the location of the crossing and require implementation of any traffic controls needed for safety purposes. This subsection shall apply only to residents or guests of the mobile home park. Any other provision of law to the contrary notwithstanding, if notice is posted at the entrance and exit to any mobile home park that residents of the park utilize golf carts or electric vehicles within the confines of the park it shall not be necessary that the park have a gate or other device at the entrance and exit in order for such golf carts or electric vehicles to be lawfully operated in the park.

    (4) A golf cart may be operated only during the hours between sunrise and sunset, unless the responsible governmental entity has determined that a golf cart may be operated during the hours between sunset and sunrise and the golf cart is equipped with headlights, brake lights, turn signals, and a windshield.

    (5) A golf cart must be equipped with efficient brakes, reliable steering apparatus, safe tires, a rearview mirror, and red reflectorized warning devices in both the front and rear.

    (6) A golf cart may not be operated on public roads or streets by any person under the age of 14.

    (7) A local governmental entity may enact an ordinance regarding golf cart operation and equipment which is more restrictive than those enumerated in this section. Upon enactment of any such ordinance, the local governmental entity shall post appropriate signs or otherwise inform the residents that such an ordinance exists and that it shall be enforced within the local government’s jurisdictional territory. An ordinance referred to in this section must apply only to an unlicensed driver.

    ( 8) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable pursuant to chapter 318 as a moving violation for infractions of subsection (1), subsection (2), subsection (3), subsection (4), or a local ordinance corresponding thereto and enacted pursuant to subsection (7), or punishable pursuant to chapter 318 as a nonmoving violation for infractions of subsection (5), subsection (6), or a local ordinance corresponding thereto and enacted pursuant to subsection (7).

  7. Boots Tolsdorf Says:

    Golf carts are a way of life in Boca Grande for all of us. If we feel that some(and probably VERY few) kids are reckless, then I guess, inevitably we have to make rules for those that break them. So have a test for kids. I am sure that all will pass. The island kids are VERY used to using golf carts. If folks on the elderly side, can’t drive a car- for a valid reason- like near blindness, then they should not drive. Lets get this resolved quickly for all- it is NOT a big deal. ANd yes, going on the streets is important to get around. And drivers are all careful and expect golf carts, just as we expect bikers.
    AS for the seat belts. This idea is absolutely ridiculous. The whole fun of getting on the cart to ge to the beach or for ice cream is that the whole family goes. Seat belts are up to the discretion of parents, and any grandparent knows that when the whole family is on board, we are carrying special cargo and will be VERY careful. Get a grip!

    Moderator’s note: Many years ago the Lee County Sheriff’s Office considered seeking to have the existing county ordinance (prior to adoption of the state statute) to require those under the age of 15 to take and pass a golf cart safety course. The course would have been offered ‘periodically” in Boca Grande. In this case, “periodically” meant July or August when only island kids would be around. The lawyers shot down the idea due to fears that the course could be viewed as some form of county endorsement of a young driver’s ability - lawsuits to follow.

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